What Women Want Today
What Women Want Today

Episode 72 · 4 months ago

My Menopause Memoir w/Author Tracy Minnoch-Nuku


Tracy Minnoch-Nuku on Instagram Find her book on AMAZON Visit Tracy's website HERE 

Mother to 2 children (Jazz 16 years and Sol, 8 years).

Tracy is a Group Class Trainer, Personal Trainer, Training Manager, Mentor and

Fitness Business Consultant, Podcaster.

After 33 years in the fitness industry, Tracy still continues to coach and

lead group classes to feel what the people in her classes are

experiencing.The energy, the vibe and the shared love of movement are a

reflection of the passion she gifts to to every person in every class. 

Tracy has grown up in the fitness industry, from a youthful 18-year old

“aerobics” teacher through to managing personal training and group

training teams in New Zealand.

As one of the original Master Trainers for Les Mills New Zealand, Tracy

was head hunted to support the growth of Fitness First Asia and moved to

Hong Kong and then Malaysia. Over 5 years, she trained 1000’s of

instructors and built a support management team for the rapid roll out of

group classes.

Setting up a support business for Les Mills in South East Asia required

building teams across business and training. After 7 years and a new

trainer team of 80 international trainers across 8 countries including China,

Tracy joined her husband in setting up their own brand of fitness boutique

clubs - FIRE Fitness.

Tracy’s vision for fitness is to mentor and build teams to deliver engaging

fitness experiences across multiple platforms - LIVE workouts and digital

workouts - reaching a wider audience to change more lives.

“I love to see the potential in others when they may not have realised it for

themselves. They are aware that they have a passion for fitness but don’t

have the game plan to turn that passion into action. I thrive on helping

them navigate the steps to make their passion a fulfilling and growth-

fueled career” Tracy

After 20 years in Asia, Tracy and her family repatriated to New

Zealand and whilst in Managed Isolation, Tracy started to build out

the concept of her podcast “Sexy Ageing” - a community that

celebrates the gift of ageing and debunks that notion that life after 40

is all “downhill”. Conversations with experts, scientists, advocates and

entrepreneurs across the physical, mental and social challenges with

ageing and how to make the second half of your life the best part of

your life. 

*any links to Amazon are affliate links and do not alter the price in any way. The proceeds of any purchases help promote and publish the podcast. Any purchases made from these links are very much appreciated.

Hello and welcome to the what women on today podcast. You might be asking yourself right about now. Well, what do women want? I mean we're pretty complex creatures, right. Well, I think we want it all, and I'm here to explore it with you. My name is Terry Kellum's I'm your host. Go grab your favorite beverage, I've already got my glass of wine, and let's get started. Hello and welcome to another week's episode of the what women want today podcast. Today on the show I have globally recognized fitness professional, author and fellow podcast host of the sexy aging podcast with me today. Her name is Tracy Manuk Nuku. Did I say that right? Tracy? Perfect? Okay, great, welcome to the show. I'm so happy to have you here with me today. Thank you for joining me. Thanks for having me here. It's just so nice to catch up with someone from across the world, and we were talking earlier about how woman is so supportive of each other in this stage of life. Um, and particularly with podcasting. The podcasting community is amazing. So really having me really is so I don't even know where to start, because your book was just so awesome. I have pages of notes in front of me. Um, it's a great book. We will definitely put a link in the podcast notes for that. But Um, share the name of your book with us? Yes, so my book is called my menopause Menoir. Yes, and what what do you think it was that finally made you sit down and say I'm going to just put this all out there and share this with the world? Thanks for asking that question. There is a really good backstory. So I live in New Zealand now and I lived in Asia for twenty years and just repatriated back to New Zealand last year. Um. In my time in Southeast Asia, based in Kola Lumpa, Um, I was working in the fitness industry. My husband and I co founded some boutique fitness clubs and by that stage I was probably around forty six, forty seven. Um. So if you know anything about perimenopause or menopause, there is usually around the time some symptoms start to present themselves. But the issue was I didn't know anything about it and nobody had ever said anything about it. and Um, also working in the fitness industry there is a assumption that you know what you're what's going on with your body. Um. So we were setting up this company and I put down some of the things like poor sleep, night sweats, Um, being awake and having a little bit of anxiety, Um, and feeling really fatigued, not recovering from workouts. I sort of put all of that stuff down to just work stress, starting a new business, a new company, Um. So I didn't align any of those things where they could be perimenopause symptoms, Um. And so I went through those symptoms sort of like about eighteen...

...months before I started thinking, you know what, if this is actually something else? What if all these things that are happening to me is, I don't know, Adrene or fatigue? That was the first thing that came into mind, because I've actually had that before. Or what if it's chronic fatigue or some other thing that I need to perhaps get my blood tested? Forum? At the time I went to my g P, um, but what was really interesting was she said, Oh, we probably need to change your my arena. That was the time I needed to change my my arena. So, for anyone that's not sure what that is, that's an I u s into into a usuran Um. Uh, we call I U D into US device. I U S another way of saying it Um, and that's too. It's it's birth control or contraception that she said that this will support you through this next stage of life, and I didn't think to ask what, what are we talking about here? What a next stage of life? Are you meaning, like, you know, Midlife? Not, not anything to do with menopause. And still we never had that conversation. And so here I was sort of out of a drift, cut adrift in a world of what the heck is happening? So Um, you know, I tapped into Dr Google, as a lot of us do when we think we're dying, and just Bam, everything came up like this, this, you know, all the things that I had kind of taken note of, and the word menopause, and I was like what, isn't that like mid fifties or I was trying to think about when I thought that my mom had had it, and of course we've never spoken of it exactly. Yeah, probably our generation. Our mom's just pushed through right. So yeah, and so I realized, okay, this is menopause. And then there was the word perimenopause. I'm like, neitherhood of that, and that ticked all the boxes for me. And I'm like, Oh, Oh, I'm there, I think I'm I'm in this space, and then I'm kind of checking around with other woman, anybody else of my age feeling this? Or because nobody's talking about it. Right, your friend, nobody talked about it. Yeah, why? Okay. So these are all really great reasons to write this book and I will say that if you are just starting to tip your toe into perimenopause and asking yourself, why do I feel like ship all the time, this book has so much good information. I mean you literally walk through almost every menopause perimenopausal symptom and offer some suggestions for it. So thank you so much for writing your book. You know, Tracy, you you kind of hit on something there when you start talking about your mom and your friends and nobody's talking about it. Anybody that's been following me on my podcast journey for, you know, sometime has probably heard me say that I started doing this podcast because I saw something happening to my mom which I didn't understand at the time.

I didn't really understand it until I started going through it, but um she suffered greatly and she suffered alone and in silence and you know, you Um you said in your dedication on the book, in the book to your children, so that they might have the menopause conversation as normal, daily part of their lives. I got goose bumps then I got goose bumps now talking about it again, because here's the thing, like, why are we so shameful to talk about it? We'll talk about our period, we'll probably share our first sex experience with a girlfriend, probably right Um, but we'll go into detail on our childbirth, we'll talk about Epi, theotomy's and, you know, uteruses and but we won't talk about menopause. And I've often asked myself if it's because it feels like we're done. You know, quote unquote, we're done. But Society will tell us that, in particularly Western culture, will tell us that woman of a certain vintage should probably step aside. You know, and I'm in the fitness industry, which uthifies. It uthifies people woman, particularly Um. So you know you're fit and strong, which I mean. Messages have changed, so you don't have to be necessarily lean with a six pack. I feel like messaging is changing. Strong, fit, well, healthy. You know, particularly after the pandemic, you know that that whole wellness is a really important factor when it comes to fitness and how we collaborate with the medical industry now instead of just working in silo. So, you know, I do feel like we're shifting to identify fitness, and I'm in the fitness industry, as more on wellness. But there's not, certainly not an embracing space for woman fifty class in their in their industry. I do have some incredible role model girlfriends who still doing incredible things in that space. But the fact is, if you start talking about your age and we start saying, Oh, I'm having a hot flash or having a moment or brain fog has got me this week, people are like what, what are you talking about? Like or let's not talk about it. Yeah, you know, I hadn't experience within the last six months, I would say, Um, where I was talking about it, because this is this is my life, you know, doing this podcast and and and talking to my girlfriends and supporting them through what they're going through and them supporting me through my stuff and just continuing to learn and to immerse myself in this culture that we're building here. Um, it's just natural not for me to talk about it and Um, this person that I was with. I'm not going to throw her under the bus, but she's nearing forty and um I just said something about menopause and she kind of whipped her head around and looked at me like like I was insulting her, and then her husband said she's not going through menopause. I wish you'd learned to talk about something else, and I was like, Whoa, Whoa, whoa. So, okay, before I...

...ask You my question about your husband, I'm gonna say I'm gonna read this quote that's at the beginning of your book. It says the great irony is that women arguably enter their most valuable age of well, I can't read my own handwriting. Contribution, they're also plagued by the silent and misunderstood malaise of menopause. And that was by Emma Barry. I loved that quote because I wish, if I mean, there's so many things I hope women take away from this podcast episode today, but I think I wish that they would grasp that one the most. Is this message that you're not valuable is false. Just so, it's fake news, news exactly. We have so much to contribute at this point in life, and I think you know many women our age would say this has been the best. This is the best part of my life so far in so many ways. Yeah, if you can figure out the menopause pat and that's the whole point of the book. It's like, okay, here's all the information that I can give you and, of course, my personal stories. I feel like that helps women relate and you know that they're not alone. Right. So, if someone who's wandering out there in the fitness industry kind of looks like she's got it all together, but can say, Hey, look, this was really challenging for me, Um, and here's the moment that I recognize that that symptom related to menopause, and then here's the tips and here's this, here's the things you can actually do about it. That sense of education and knowing propels you forward into the best years of your life and I truly I agree with your wholeheartedly. I just this is it, this is everything, this is like what we've built up to and menopause is just a hump, so hump in the road, and for some people it's definitely a lot harder. I'm not going to say that you know I find. I don't find it easy, but I sort of managed to pull it together, Um, you know, just reaching out to experts and people in the field. But I want to help more women understand that if you can pull it together and figure out the pieces that work well for you, then everything is going to be amazing and then all the experiences we've had, the knowledge that we've gained and that dial up of empathy and compassion as a woman and good life is just phenomenal. It's just get us on the dance floor, baby. It's funny. It's funny that you say dance floor because when I read a book like you've written, Um, I I sort of just picture like this flash mob thing, you know, where the one person goes out there and their dancing and it gives other people that bravery or that permission to say, Hey, you know what, she's out there dance and I'm gonna go and join her. And the way I kind of relate those two things together is when they see you out there dancing, when they see there you out there talking about what you went through and sharing your experience, they're like, okay, she's brave, I can be brave too. I'm having this. I see that she's taken these steps,...

I'm going to talk to my friend, I'm going to go talk to my doctor, I'm going to do something about this. You've inspired a whole flash mob, tracy, with your book. Terry, thank you so much. I mean, I didn't fully answer the first question, which is you know what propelled me to write the book, but I you see bravery and I don't see it from their perspective. But thank you. My husband got sick of me talking about it and he said, why don't you write that ship down? And so did he notice that you were changing? Did? That was the question I was gonna ask you. Did your husband pick up on some of these changes and say something to you about them? Well, we both went through, I say we went through Perimnipalus together, and I also say that it's not just a woman's issue, it's a couple's issue, it's a family's issue, it's a community's issue Um, and everyone needs to get on board because it is affecting so many woman's lives and their relationships and their workspaces, and so everyone needs to know about it. So my husband and I did not know what Perry menopause was as a couple. It did affect our relationship at the time and I'm so grateful that I could find out what I needed to know and just turn around to him and say, Hey, look, I am not turning into a crazy cow. I can say that my hormones are causing these situations. I do apologize for the things that that have, you know, damaged our love and trust for each other. But now that I know, let's work together to move forward and make things better. So I think if there's one thing I can sort of share with women, it's like, it's not all your fault, you aren't going crazy and when you know, you can't unknown and you can't fix. But some of the issues that maybe you know happened with friendships or relationships or, you know, partnerships or things that might have gone wrong in the workplace, you can take. Obviously a need to take ownership, because if it was something crazy that you did, you need to, you know, take ownership, but now you can go. It's because of this particular symptom that affects me in this way and the support that I need is this. My husband actually went on the PODCAST, my pod episode ten. I tested him how many of the thirty five known symptoms did I have? And did he get it right? He got it all right. That's so come on, guys, that's stupid up right. Yeah, and men, you know, they can. They can go through it too. Like you said, it's a you know, it's a couple of things. Men can also experience this drop in Testasterone, which is much more subtle for them than it is for women. But they do experience the loss of Libido and, Um, you know, sort of a drive and Um, the what's the word I'm looking for,... where they feel super masculine and, you know, I want to take on the world and take things. So, yeah, I mean, and imagine if you're both going through it at the same time. So I'm that's really exciting that you and your husband sort of like shared the journey and learned about it at the same time together. That's really exciting. Yeah, so, Um, you have two children, boys, girls. Yeah, I have a seventeen year old daughter and a nine year old son. So it's quite a gap and it's quite a story, but I won't share that here. Um. But what's really cool with my seventeen year old is, so she was going through minstruating while I'm going through menopause. Right we are the bookings of the reproductive cycle, living in the same house as as humans were so accommodating. While it drives US crazy to teenage angst and behavior because of hormonal scituations, we're totally cool with them, but we're not so cool with the mom having their moments. So isn't there ironic? But then again, once you know, it's like, okay, we can deal with this. We we actually also did an episode together and we called it let's talk periods and perimenopause, and I'm so happy that my daughter knows a lot about perimenopause and what to expect and doesn't talk about it with fear or that's not going to be a great time of my life. Mom. She's like, Oh, look at my mom getting after it. What a good you know, it must be something good to this right. And so it's so if a woman is listening and she has a daughter coming approaching, you know, the time of life where she's going to be getting her period, or maybe she even already has it. What what would your advice be to her as to how to start sharing some of this part of life with her daughter, where would you start? I think it's challenging for Um, for months generally too, I think, emotionally, except that their child is coming into womanhood. So I think that's that also makes it, you know, emotionally difficult to even get broached the conversation. But I think these days people are much freer with their conversation around periods of menstruation. Like in our household it's like everybody knows what's going on and there's, you know, sanitary products all over the house and you just trying to dial it in Um. But I believe that we should be talking about the whole reproductive cycle, which is at this point in time, this is what you're going to experience and that prepares you for, you know, pregnancy one day, if that's what you want, if that's how you see your life moving forward. And at the end of those fertile years, you have a stage of life called being a pause, and so instead of just going menstruation, will go menstruation, you know, building a family, if it's an option, and and menopause and just talk about...

...the whole thing, because we do just fixate on menstruation, and maybe that's because teenagers can only take so much content. I think that. I think that's absolutely great at face and you talk a lot about the different issues you know that we can face in some some tips to help us manage it. What do you think your top three difficult symptoms were as you were going through it? Um, I think in the line of work, Um and being surrounded by so many young people, because, you know fitness industry, we would hire young trainers and stuff that one of the top symptoms for me was brain fog. Um, when I started to forget things and I would take training sessions, stand up in front of groups of people and feel really lost in my content when I knew what I was talking about, that I would lose the words, word dropping and then I would just stand there feeling like really like not a great educator. And that was my sort of history in fitness. I would train trainers and run workshops and do that stuff like all the time, but there was those moments when I was standing up and yeah, I would have brain fog. The second one was joint pain, and of course that one is an issue when you are working out pretty frequently. I've managed to get on top of that, but the joint pain and getting injuries in bed. You know, I would wake up and my elbow wouldn't St Straight and properly. My shoulder would burn, and that would happen after waking up from being asleep, if I was lucky to be asleep. Um. And then the the insomnia was probably the biggest ass kicker. Um, and I believe that this is probably one of the biggest symptoms for women. Um, and if you aren't sure if you're coming into menopause, then you'll know when you aren't sleeping two to three nights a week. I went through ten years of that, ten years, you know, I didn't know it's perimenopause, though. I didn't know that. Well, that's another thing people don't realize. You're looking at a decade of your life. You know, you're not looking at one or two years of symptoms. You're actually looking at managing and they even flow and then you might get on top of one of them and then something else will come in. So, you know, that is the stuff that sounds a bit ship, but the cold stuff is that? Excuse me, you learned so much about yourself and your body too. So yeah, yeah, and I think women, you know I've said this before, I think women need to be advocates for their health. Like you. Can't. You know you I probably have this perspective because I used to work in a doctor's office for years, but I know they're stretched like they literally probably have two or three patients scheduled in a fifteen minute times but and so you know, you need to go in there prepared for what you need him to address and don't let him leave the room. Here, she don't let them leave the room without seeing your issues because, and I think I...

...also learned that from my mom, because, you know, she would say, Oh, you know this, this, this and this, and I'd say, well, mom, how did it go with the doctor? Did you tell them that your intidepressant isn't working? Oh well, he didn't have time. You know, you can't. Got Your take control of your you've got to take control of your health and that comes from, like you said, just really being aware and knowing, knowing your body and knowing yourself. Um, Terry, I actually spoke to a couple of GPS about approaching them, Um, when you think that you're in perimenopause and you need support. So I actually did speak with some menopause specialists about how do we advocate for ourselves the best that we can and what can we do to prepare for the meeting? So some of the top recommendations was book a double meeting, book a double appointment, because it is sometimes it's not perimenopause. It could be Um, hyper thyroutism, it could be a dream or fatigue. So they need to figure out and have a longer conversation. That's faster than fifteen minutes. Right. Have more time than fifteen minutes. The other thing is, if you do believe that you're going through perimenopause, Um, get some content that does have the thirty five symptoms Um and just start tracking for a month, because if you if you've got about, you know, between five and ten of them, and quite frequently throughout a month, then you're really, really on top of the fact that you're tracking into perimenopause. And some of the interesting things is it's not just when you get to mid forties or fifties. This could happen as early as mid thirties. Yeah, my mom went through it very young, very young. So yeah, Um, I want to shift gears a little bit because you are a fitness expert and I feel like there is so much conflicting information. Um, and in your book you did address a couple of things. I thought I would ask you about them. Number One, can you talk to us a little bit about your feelings on the key too diet? Yeah, so specific to women and I'm not going to give a full opinion on keyto. I I know lots of people that use it to shift a substantial amount of weight, Um, and then I'm just kind of curious to see how they're going to maintain that shift. Um. But yeah, there are things in the keyto diet that really conflict with this stage of life and one of them is very low fiber. Um. Yeah, and Um, woman who are particularly in this. Maybe there's sixty. So getting closer to post menopause, the protein or the fat and the protein is too high for the cholesterol, because the reason that we tend to Um our health deteriorates later in life. It's it's to do with heart disease actually. So that Diet would conflict radically with the fact that you're trying to keep your health, your heart healthy. Yeah, the the calorie value, the lack of low g I carbohydrate, which is still really important,..., and a lot of the essential nutrients that we need do conflict with a Keto Diet. So I mean, I'm not saying I mean I think that for a lot of people, and I'm just sitting on the fence a little bit with this one, I think that if you've had high sugar and hide what I call carbage White, uh, you know, wheat based sugary foods, and you're able to eradicate that because you choose a particular diet, then that's probably a good start. Sure, yeah, but com term, your long term health around nutrient value is important and you can't get the maximum nutrient value from a Keto Diet. Okay, and you did say you were seeing that carbs. Like we do need some carbs, even though we hear a lot about, you know, Oh, no carbs, no carbs. Okay, sorry, I'll just sort of say so the Keto Diet doesn't help with the brain fog because there's not enough type of hydrate in the Diet. Put the fact that your brain requires glucose to think. So if you've already got brain fag, because it's pretty menipuse symptom, and then you decided to go on a Keto Diet, or you might as well shut down any conversations for the future because you're not going to be able to get through one sentence. Your brain will not go there. You don't have the fuel for it. So that's another reason. Yeah, I did a little carb challenge with a couple of my friends, Um, and we're all about the same age and Um, you know, you talk about this in the book to the bloating and digestive issues, and I had been experiencing some just horrid issues. and Oh my one friend said, you know what, I just reduced my carbs and I lost I think she said seven pounds, and I was like, I'm going to Hawaii and then I'm going to Mexico within three weeks of each other. Save me up for that please. But I did not. It did not feel like something I could maintain the long, long haul and it really didn't do anything for me. So I tend to agree with you on the CARB thing. Um, but we've got to choose the right cards, right. Yeah, so low G I. So we're talking like Um, pumpkin squash, sweet potato, Um, Quinoa, lent tools and and some of those foods also have good protein values and we do need to increase our protein and menopause and it's very difficult to get the protein values that we need. But what that does is it helps to maintain our muscle mass, which decreases radically, particularly in this stage. So the fluctuating hormones, dropping hormones mean that we lose up to our muscle mess over teen years. It's it's really extreme. Yeah, so maintain the protein, eat low g I carbs and just think long term. This is my health. This is when I get out the other end. I don't want to be the candidate for heart disease. You know, a woman in their sixties and dropping with heart attacks the same as guys, not less than we don't report that, though, because, you know, medical industry don't report things for women. Just... doctor just told me I was like ten weeks ago when I went and had some of my hormones tested. She said it wasn't wasn't until the nineteen eighties when they started actually recognizing that women's health was different than men's and I about fell off the exam taboogy said that it's true. So, you know, just one more thing on the actual like a lot of the you know, information that's out there that we just don't know what to do with. Well, actually, two more things. You talked a little bit about intermittent fasting, so if you could adjust that briefly, and then, Um, I want to hear why you think weight training is more important than cardios. So if you could address both of those for everybody out there who's like, Oh my God, there's so much information, I don't know what to even think anymore. Yeah, there is so much information and I do think that the impacts on women trying to figure out what they should or shouldn't be doing or the fastest track of feeling good and so Um. So that's a really good question. There is a lot of information out there and it does make it really challenging for women to figure out how to feel good, you know, as fast as possible. So I think it is just, you know, tuning into things like our podcasts that direct you in the right point you in the right direction. So, UM, intermittent fasting. So Um. Yeah, that's another I believe it's another fad. There is quite a lot of science that does support it and, to be honest, I am still looking at the science as well. My personal experience is that I finished eating at seven o'clock at night and I don't eat again until nine o'clock in the morning, and the reason for that is not because I chose to do any kind of fasting, but that's what makes me feel good. Right, so I and then when you look at that, someone goes, oh, but you haven't eaten for fourteen hours. You're fasting. Actually, I'm giving my digestive system arrest through the night and that feels really healthy to me and it keeps my vowels regular, and so I think that's what works for me. Okay, so that's my take on in a minute, fasting. Am I intimidut it fasting? I don't believe I am, but you know, according to the science, fourteen hours is quite long. So I have to agree with you. I have to agree with you it works. What works for you may not work for everybody, but if it works for you, it makes you feel good and makes you up to more, then that's what you should practice. Yeah, and then I am quite challenged throughout the day. Have to be quite stricted to get my protein and taken because I need to take two point two grams of protein per kilow body weight for me. So that is there's quite a lot. That's because I train as well, Um, and that's going to maintain muscle mess Um. The second question was around strength training versus Cardio. Now this was great news for me, to be honest with you. A loved hearing this. Oh cool, okay. Well, I'm a Cardio Queen. Oh well, I've I mean it's my go to. It lifts my endorphins and a lot of people will relate to this. But also going through the era where hit training was everything, you know, that high and tensity, busted out, feel exhausted but exhilarated at the...

...end. I mean that was me. But as time went on, I started to notice a shift in my body composition, like I wasn't as lean or I was more putting a little bit of weight around my middle, and that felt awkward and it didn't feel right on my body and I wasn't recovering from exercise and I felt a lot of pain, um. And so while I thought originally it was age, Um, I now know it's a change in hormones. And so doing the research, and there are some incredible Um people before me in this field that have done the research on what should woman and menopause be doing when it comes to exercise, we need to switch it. So it's got to be strength training, and there's so many reasons for it. You know, maintaining strong joints, increasing bone density, protecting hearth health, increasing your metabolism, because that is a thing that changes as we age, maintaining it, um, but also, you know, street training takes all the boxes that the cardio did as well, minus the impact. So yeah, so, I mean I have radically changed my own fitness training and I am creating and building a platform for women to get the information and the workouts that they need in the future. So, Um, yeah, great answer. And you know, Um, there is a very delicious protein shake recipe in your book that every woman needs to try. So, yeah, it is. It was delicious, Um. So let's share your socials with everybody so they know where to find you. I'll make sure to put a link for your podcast and, Um, your socials and your website and what else? Your book, everything, I'll put everything in there, but let's share them with them, with the audience real quick. So everything is under www dot sexy aging dot com. Everything is there. Um, my instagram, I have to instagram. One is sexy aging which supports the podcast asked in the book and everything, and the other one is actually my fitness one, which is Tracy Minoch without the NOOKU. It's been there for a while. I've been in fitness for a while, so I just keep it taking over and Um, yeah, that's that's pretty much it. Well, Tracy, the time always goes so fast, especially when we have wonderful women like you on the program with me. I just want to tell you how much I appreciate you being here with me today and, Um, you know, thanks for sharing all of your knowledge with the world. It's amazing. Thank you, Terry, thanks for having me. I just I know what my purpose is, and it's to help women navigate this time through this incredible stage of life and to do it with a bit of Sath and keep it sexy. There you go. Hey, tracy, one more thing as we wrap up here today. What do you think women want today? Um, I think they want to be seen at all stages of life and to be recognized. And actually there is a movie that's just come out with Emma Thompson called what women want. Is that one really? Yeah, yeah, she's...

...a midlife woman who is Um finding herself again and she actually hires a giggalow. I reckon it'll be a fantastic movie to go with your girlfriend and then walk out just like yeah, yeah, we got this, yeah, for sure. Thanks, for sure, and I love that. And do you think you've got another book in You? Do you think you'll write another one at this stage? No, Um, but never say never, right, never say never, never say never. All right, everybody, go over and check out sexy aging podcast. Go down to links in the show notes and find Tracy on socialisty and her website. Again, Tracy, it was so pleasurable to have you on here with me today. Thank you so much. Thanks here. Thank you so much for joining me. I hope you've enjoying today's conversation as much as I did. If you'd like to continue the conversation, come on over and join our private facebook group what women want today. I'd love to hang out with you somewhere there. Any resources mentioned in today's episode will be in the show notes. You can find me on facebook and Instagram at what women want today podcast, or visit my website at what women want today Dot Com. Please remember to subscribe, download and share. Leave me a review. It helps other amazing women find the show and become a member of our community. One last thing for you today. You are not alone. You are worthy of love and a fulfilled life. Now it's time to go after it.

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