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What Women Want Today

Episode 51 · 10 months ago

Permission to Feel w/Author Ashley Bernardi

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

"BIG GIRLS DON'T CRY"

If you grew up with the message that feelings weren't okay .. this is the book for you!

Ashley Bernardi knows what trauma feels like and she knows what happens when you don't give yourself "permission to feel"

Join us today as she shares childhood tragedy, post-partum depression and a mystery illness that brought her to her knees and finally ready to face the past in order to heal the present.

In her book Authentic Power: Give Yourself Persmission to Feel Ashley shares her story and gives advice to help others deal with these "messy" emotions. 

Ashley Bernardi is an accomplished entrepreneur, journalist, publicist, and award-winning podcaster.

Connect with Ashley on Instagram 

Buy the Book: Authentic Power: Give Yourself Permission to Feel 

Ashley's Website 

Two Girls Talking Podcast 

Ashley's Company Nardi Media  

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Hello and welcome to the what women on today podcast. You might be asking yourself right about now. Well, what do women want? I mean we're pretty complex creatures right. Well, I think we want it all, and I'm here to export with you. My name is Terry Kellums. I'm your host. Go grab your favorite beverage, I've already got my glass of wine, and let's get started. Hello and welcome to another episode of the what women went today podcast. I am your host, Terry Kellums. I'm so excited to be here with you today. I'm also very much looking forward to my conversation with my guest today. I Have Ashley Bernardi on with me today. She is the author of authentic power, giving yourself permission to feel, and she is also the founder and director of nerdy media. Ashley, welcome, welcome, and Terry, I'm so happy to be here today. Thanks for having me. It's my pleasures, my pleasure. So, Ashley, I gave all of the nuts and bolts of or maybe just the very brief introduction of who you are. But tell us a little bit more about Ashley. Oh Gosh, that's a long story. How much? I'll just say you know, on the on the surface. Yeah, I'm a mom of three amazing children, a wife, an entrepreneur, a multi passionate entrepreneur, and that I do own a media relations company, but I also recently got my certificate in Life Designer coaching, which is a life coach, and I've been on my I know will probably get into it, but I've been on this kind of well being journey for several years now. I have my certificate and Reiki. I have a certificate in the science of wellbeing from Yale, and that's where that multi passionate and creative part of me comes in, because I just I have a thirst to learn and and I've made a lot of pivots in my life, as I know your listeners have as well, and I feel like I'm still pivoting daily to find out where I want to be. Oh, I love I love all of that. Yeah, I think you and I could be best he's in real life, because I enjoy all that as well. I enjoy learning new things. was chatting this morning with a couple of my friends on the Marco Polo APP and she started talking about reikie and you know, the beads that you can wear to Molla be okay, yeah, yeah, and candles, and I just I love all of that stuff. So I could talk for hours about that kind of that kind of thing. These two I can get very who if you want me to. We'll have to have you back maybe for another wooers. So, Ashley, Your Book Authentic Power, giving yourself permission to feel it looks like that was just released in December's that correct. Yes, it was just released and I'm so excited to share it with the world because this was a book that came to me in the very early days of the pandemic. It was March two thousand and twenty when, remember, we were all faced with what the hell was happening in the world and, yes, all these feelings of grief. I'm certainty, to spare confusion, I felt a lot of familiar feelings...

...that I had felt in the past, but this time what I did differently was I gave myself permission to feel them, because I had been on a very traumatic healing journey for a majority of my life with a major health crisis, and in March two thousand and twenty I was like, I know what to do now, I have the tools to move through these messy and uncomfortable emotions and feelings and I am going to do something about it. So what I did was I started writing and I started journaling, and that is an and through my writing and journaling and meditating and my like, I guess I would say, like self love and selfcare practices, I felt very called to write this book because I felt like I figured out the key to healing myself and healing from my trauma, and it truly is about accessing my own authentic power to give myself permission to feel, and my authentic power is that wisdom that I have within me, and so that's what inspired me to write this book. And in the book I also interviewed over twenty healing experts and people who have helped me along my healing journey. It varies from e our physicians to energy healers to spiritual mentors to psychiatrists and psychologists. I compiled their wisdom in my book as well. So they're the book contains many actionable tips about how you can give yourself permission to feel. Coupled with my own healing journey of experiencing childhood trauma and then later in life at health trauma, that really just knocked me off my feet and left me bed redden for a very long time. Wow, we there's so many questions I want to ask you all at once. So let's start with the giving yourself permission to feel part, because I feel like, you know, in my age range, my group, I feel like maybe I grew up in good company when I say that we were kind of told, you know, all, stop crying, yeah, you know, or you put your big girl panties on, or you know, which I've probably said at different points in my life too, or you know, I just had to buck up and just, you know, power through it, that kind of thing. And lately I feel like that narrative is changing a little bit. I feel like we're starting to say, you know, we can't rush ourselves through things sometimes, sometimes we just have to let ourselves feel a little bit, and not that we have to stay there forever, but if you don't allow yourself to sort of process those things, I feel like they could, they're going to come back around you in a different way, whether that's physical or, you know, whether one day you're just going to you know, just have a little meltdown. Well, that's and that you're exactly right. Terry. That's actually exactly what happened to me. I I believe that society teaches us, and I think a lot of it has to do with our race, but I also think majority of it has to do with our culture, that we're supposed to wear this mask of strength. And you know, this shows up on social media all the time. This shows up in like, Oh, you know, I just lost my job, but I'm going to try to stay positive it or you know, I had a friend the other day tell me that his dad had...

...this horrible health diagnosis, but he said, well, I'm just trying to stay positive, and I replied to him, I'm like, don't need to be. You know. So we think we need to be strong and we need to show up for ourselves. Is Strong. But what I've learned is that, like, biologically, as human beings, we experienced these emotions for a reason and they're meant to be professed. If they're not processed, they're stored in our body. And what happens if you keep storing them in your body, you end up getting a lot of crap in your body. And so for me, and I can get into what happened to me, is I stored it in my body for almost twenty five years. Oh Man, it started when I was eleven years old. I was my father died of a sudden death heart attack right in front of me. When I was eleven years old and we were all home on a Sunday night. The last words that we said to each other where I love you, because he wasn't feeling well that night and I went to give him a kiss and he said I love you, and then just moments later he started actively having a heart attack and my mom and sister tag my mom. My sister was nine years old at the time. My Mom and sister tag team CPR on him while I ran to call nine when one and get the neighbors, and there was nothing that we could have do. We learned that his heart was ninety percent blocked. But that was such a traumatic shock to my entire system that I, instead of allowing myself to feel that trauma, which felt be very, very scary, to actually get into the feeling of it, I acted like everything was fine. I went back to school a week later. My father was an army colonel, so of course, like I was going to be an army colonel's daughter and wear that mask of strength and be stoic like he was a Vietnam War veteran, in a soldier, and I did that for a very, very long time. But what I learned is that it comes out in other ways. Your emotions and feelings that you very come out in other ways. For me, it came out in people pleasing and lack of boundaries and destructive relationships and destructive relationship with alcohol in a work addiction. It was anything that I could do to not feel the pain that I had within me, because it was just so painful to even address that. My father was no longer here, so I like I didn't, I couldn't even visit his grave site, just to give you an example, for years and years and years. So I went on wearing this mask of strength for a very long time, for about twenty years, until another health crisis. Actually is probably about twenty, two years to be exact. Another health crisis hit me over the head and that was an undiagnosed mystery illness that took me to my knees. I was so incredibly sick at first. Started off with flu like symptoms. I couldn't digest anything, I started losing my vision, I started having chronic migrains. My body was going Numb, my arms went numb, my legs went Numb, I've lost control of my baths. I mean it was I've seen so many doctors diagnosed with everything under the sun and Fiber Maag Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, oh, stress and anxiety because you're a young mom. And...

...so it wasn't until I had delivered my third child, Scarlett, did those symptoms like just come rip roaring back in, and then I was in the hospital and taken by ambulance. I was so sick I was I truly, and I say this in my book, like I was dying and I felt like I was dying and I was sure that my last days were near. And at the same time of this mystery illness, I was also diagnosed with severe postpartum depression. So I had these like two major illnesses lingering over me, and I'll never forget like one day I'd like come back from the hospital because I lost my vision again, I couldn't see, I had vertigo and I just like fell on my knees and surrendered. I was like God, you can take me now, because this is just way too painful for my family to experience and for me, or like I'm just going to surrender, but I am no longer in control here. And what happened after that was because I had no choice but to be still, because I was so sick, I was so bedridden, did the trauma from my past start bubbling up. And that is the first time in twenty two years that I gave myself permission to feel everything. I was grieving for my health, I was grieving for my dad. All the feelings came out. I screamed, I cried, I journaled. I mean this is not like a oneday thing, this was like a many, multiyear thing. HMM. It turned out my my, I finally got a correct health diagnosis. That was lime disease. So I'm disease and post pardon depression. And what I learned was that the physical healing was only really twenty percent of what needed to happen. The the mental and emotional and spiritual healing where the other eighty percent, and I had to start with that first, before the physical symptoms subsided, and that's exactly what I did. So there is where my healing journey started. Wow, and I know that you said at the beginning of our conversation, that you know, during the pandemic, you know, we're what did you say? I'm trying to remember exactly how you said it. You can probably help me out here, but you said it will probably take us years to process the collective trauma that we've all experienced. So let me ask you this. Do you think that there are certain groups that are more vulnerable to experiencing the long term trauma, or do you think it's just that we're all just out here trying to do what we what we do and it just affecting some people differently, or maybe they're not even acknowledging their trauma yet? What are your thoughts? I think that's a great question. I think trauma, what I've learned about trauma, is that it affects everyone differently. And you know, I had someone come up to me yesterday and say, Oh, I read your book, you know, but I never went through a trauma like what you went through, and I'm like no, no, we're not comparing traumas here. And because, I'll tell you what, the same thing that happened to my sister happened to me and we both experienced it differently. We both processed it...

...differently. For me, I didn't even process it at all, and so, like, I think what comes down to it is that, yes, we are all going through a collective trauma. It is going to hit every single person differently, based on their so their socioeconomic status, based on whether or not they're a parent and empty Nester, a single person. Like I have two single female cousins who said this is the loneliest they have ever been in their entire lives, which is the complete opposite of my situation. With three young children at home and be running a business. I have not been alone in over two years. Yeah, like, which is the true. So so, it's a collective trauma that we all are experiencing differently, but what needs to happen is similar for all people and that we all need to give ourselves permission to feel what we are feeling in our heart. And those feelings might be different than my lonely cousins who are single, and you know those empty nesters or the people who are struggling to get food on the plates to their families. The circumstances are different, but what needs to happen is the permission to feel these that's where the healing happens. And my my worry is that we're going to go through this collective trauma and a majority of people are going to try to get back to act like life is normal and forget that, oh, I just went through a trauma for two entire years and you wouldn't be Sur prize if a health crisis shows up in them later in life because they've they've buried all the trauma from these past two years within them. Does that help answer your questions? Yeah, it doesn't, and I was thinking that, you know, you know I'm an empty Nester and I work from home and you know, I feel like for me it's gone in peaks and valleys, you know, mountains and valleys, and you know, sometimes, when I was on the down side of it, you know, when I was feeling like the pressures and the isolation and a lot of the other things, I could get glimpses of what it looked like and what I can remember from being up at the mountain top. But yeah, I agree with you. I think it's affecting all of us so differently based on circumstances, and I have often thought of the people who live alone and how difficult that must be not to have somebody day in and day out to just connect with, because you talked about that too. You said, see if I can find it. You said the power of Committ the power of connection and community for healing is so important, and I that is my heart as well. Yeah, it's so important, Terry. I used to think I could go through this healing journey on my own and look, I definitely recognize that this was an inside job that first started with me. So I'll say first, connect with yourself, you know, and that's really your authentic power, that's the wisdom that you have within you already. We are all but I've learned is that we are all all the experts of our own lives. We already have the answers within us, and it'ss when we get quiet and still...

...and listen to that wisdom within and then take it a step further and trust that wisdom. That's the best way to connect to ourselves as accessing our authentic power. And then, once we do so, I did that first, and then I felt called to connect with others, and I was so scared at first to get vulnerable about what I was experiencing. I the only people who knew about my health crisis were my immediate family, because I felt like running a company, mask of strength had to wear, that my friends had to look like everything was perfect right, like I felt like I needed to be that perfect people please, our happy person. And what I learned was that when I got vulnerable and real my my friendships deepened and and it's like like they changed in such a beautiful way. I will never forget opening up to a group of my girlfriends from high school about what was happening, and I was met with so much love and compassion and people were bringing me me I mean, like things that I would just not expect. And in the same way, I reached out to a church can, my church community, and I let them know what was going on and and I was met with so much love and people were there for me. And now also say this about connection to I also, you know, during my journey, I joined a lyme disease support group and I felt like it wasn't a right fit for me. And so, like you, it's also okay to have connections that don't serve you and you don't have to stay there, right. So I've learned a lot about connecting but what I have learned is that when you get open and vulnerable about how you're really feeling with others, you will be met with so much love and compassionate and if you're not, you shouldn't connect with them anyway. And so I talked a lot about that in in my book, authentic power. You know, it's interesting. I developed a better relationship with vulnerability in my midlife and one of the things that I learned was, you know, you think you're putting up these walls to protect yourself from feeling hurt or whatever, almost like you're ashamed that if anybody ever sees the real you, that they wouldn't even like you, like you wouldn't be yeah, and what I've learned is, you know, those walls they keep people out as well. You might think they're protecting you, and maybe on some level they do, but they also keep you from having the deep, close connections that you really want, because if you're not being authentic, I'll use your word, and being vulnerable, nobody can really know you. And how can anybody really connect with you, empathize with you, be in close relationship with you if they don't know you? I mean and and that I love that and it also like to go even deeper with it's like you need to know you, and that's why I stay like connect with yourself first, like I had to do that. I was like, who am I? Who is actually? I haven't putting on this Oscar Worthy Act for years. I don't even know who I am anymore. What do I like? Right, and...

...like who do I want to be with? Who? Who Am I? And so when you connect with yourself first, then you're able to connect with others because you're showing up as your truest you, is self, right, right. I love that. I agree with that one hundred percent. You talk about turning your sensitivity into your superpower. Talk to us a little bit about that. So I'm like so curious if your listeners can relate to this. But my entire life I've been told that I'm just too sensitive, and mostly by doctors, like I feel like, you know, I would like to have a store throat or something like some health ailment, and I'll never forget a doctor looking at me be like, Oh, you're just more sensitive than the average bear. And then even at work I've had people say, oh, she's just too sensitive, oh you're so sensitive. So I always thought my sensitivity was at a detriment, like it was it was something that I should hide because I'm so I am a very sensitive person. I'm an empath. I feel like I can pick up others feelings and emotions and I've done a lot of like research on as to why. That might be a lot of ass to do with your childhood. But regardless, I'm just a sensitive being. And when I was going through my health crisis, I had this Aha moment where I was like wait a second, like why can't I use my sensitivity as a gift, like I'm very, very good at reading people. This is actually what makes me a good business owner and and I'm very sensitive to the needs of my children. How is that at a detriment? And so once I really started owning that I'm a sensitive person, I say like truly owning it. Like even yesterday I was texting a friend and I was like, oh, that's just the that's just the empath sensitive in me. I can't help because I was like worried about him and his dad and and like health diagnosis, and I was like up in the middle of the night worrying about him. He's like don't worry about it. I'm like, that's just me. I'm sorry, that's I'm not. Actually I'm not. I'm not sorry, but like, this is who I am and this is a gift and it once you start to see your gifts as your superpowers, and for me it's sensitivity. So much can change and like in my life and I've now I'm like, I own that power and I see that as something that I can use even in my life designer coaching, as a life coach now, and the because of my ability to read people and truly listen and actually feel what they're feeling, and the same way that I'm a parent too. So that's what I mean by my like my sensitivity is my superpowers. So I would say for your audience, like what are some of your qualities or superpowers that you've been told shouldn't be your quality or superpower? I would invite you to get curious about why not, and maybe revisit it, because once I revisited the theme of sensitivity in my life, so much change and now I use that as as a huge asset of as to who actually is. It defines me and I love me for that. I love that so much. Yeah, I have to think about some of the things that. Well, so I guess I'll ask you this question. Are you familiar with the any agram at all? Yeah, I am, I am.

I think I'm a I think I'm a seven. Seven. That's interesting. Okay, so how long have you owned Your Business? I've had my business since two thousand and fifteen, so this is actually like this week, is it's seventh year. Oh well, congratulations. Thank you. So I guess the question about the Anagram is when you and I've just been fascinated with it for a while now, but when you really start to understand your you know what drives you and and you know where you are in your best moments and where you need to improve. It's kind of like what you're saying with your superpowers. You know, when you're aware of some of those things that could potentially hold you back, why not learn to use them in a way that's helpful and useful? Yes, like Actet, I'm a nine, and one of the things about nine is we, you know, we don't like conflict. I guess what it makes us great mediators. So when I have, and this has happened recently, when I have two people in my life that you know, I love and I can see both sides of their story. It helps me be able to go and go. But maybe you should look at it this way. And what have you just approached it, you know, a little differently into this or said this, and so I am totally on board what you're saying about turning it into your superpower. You can take something that is meant to be a weakness according to the world and society and turn around and use it for good, right and would of evil. I mean get curious about it, like I love what you just said, like what society sees as a weakness. And Remember, this is society and culture that that's not you. You'd like what society and Culture says does not define you, and it really is. Once I started to turn that conditioning off and get curious about what my heart was feeling, it changed everything for me. So, like, that's what I would say. Like think about what society sees is some of your weaknesses and get curious about that and see if you can redefine it for yourself. Absolutely, absolutely so. As we wind up here today, I want to ask you a couple more questions. So obviously you've got this book. How long did it take you to write the book? Let's see. Well, I will say this. A book takes a lot of time and it's a labor of love and I think it could have taken me another two years, but I had a vision of like really getting it out as quickly as I could. So it took me about probably a two thousand and twenty a year start to finish, and then all the publishing in the production had to happen, and so that and then it published in December two thousand and twenty one. So I started it in March two thousand and twenty. So from start to pub date, about a year and a half. So you know, you're not the first author that I've interviewed that says that they started out by journaling. So yeah, would you recommend that to any of my listeners who, you know, have journal the lot and they're thinking, Gosh, I'd love to write a book. Oh my gosh, I have so much to say about journaling. So yes, absolutely. If you look back at your journal, you know what I love...

...doing. I love reading what I write in my journal. Sometimes I'll just sit in the mornings and just re read what I wrote because you see how far you've come. I was thinking exactly that. Like I don't like to read them right away, but you know, when I come across them and there are a couple years old, I will tell you this with tongue and cheek, just kind of laughing at myself, but I'll go God, I'm kind of smart. I can totally relate to that. or I'm like who, I had a bad day that day, like you really, but I love it. And yes, it was that journaling. And so this is actually something that I also talked about in my book. Some you can also take it a step further and my spiritual mentor Lean Taylor, taught me about sacred writing, which is essentially journaling, but it's like journaling without editing yourself and ask like asking yourself a question. So like I actually did that today and I have journals like all over my house. So today I is like what does my heart mean today? How does my heart feel today? And I just went and I like wrote and and you'll find that like what it what it is? Actually have it right here. It like really surprised, like I will surprise myself sometimes and I'm like did all really write that? Like yes, I like. And so I would say ask yourself powerful questions, and I have this in my in my book authentic power. At the end of each chapter I do have a journaling mom so, like the first awesome like think back of things that you love to do as a child, because I always say that, like before we were conditioned, before society and culture got a hold of us, there were, there are parts of our essence and that that really are like our divine calling that we need to pull from, and that starts in our childhood, and for me that was dancing and writing and poetry. And so now I'm like, I write all the time and I ask myself questions and you know, I today it was how is my heart doing today? And or that was the other day. But I'm always like how is my heart doing today? So checking in with yourself, saying how is my heart doing today? Or sometimes, if you want to have a conversation with God, Spirit or the order the divine, you can say spirit, God, what will you have me know today? That's it, and just see what comes up and see what happens. Like today I was like what can I do to unjam my brain, and like my like what I got back was delegate, take one thing at a time, baby steps, and set a timer like like. I don't think I would have been able to come up with those had I not given the time to ask myself those powerful questions and hear what is coming back. Yeah, yeah, I absolutely love that. And we were talking a little bit before I started the recording and I was steering with you over the holidays. I had covid and so overwhelming, such an overwhelming experience to be trying to move and, you know, be sick at the same time and wearing about dates that are supposed to happen that aren't you know aren't going to happen. And one day I just cut still and I said to my well, I heard this like voice, which I think is mine, and it said focus on the things you can control. Yes, just focus on the thing, and I...

...became like my mantra and what kept me going through the whole Oh, just the long felt like the longest period of my life. But yeah, focus on the things you can control. So you do have to get still and listen to yourself sometimes. You know, there's so much was I was joking in my journal when I said I was so smart but when you really allow yourself to open up and journal as as though known as ever, going to read it, because I feel like a lot of women, maybe even people on my I'll, you know, give the men some credit in this too. We sometimes wanted journal, we're tempted to journal as though someone's going to critique it or judge us for our thoughts. And you know, just let go and put your thoughts, your true, authentic, there's that word again, down on the paper and then when you do go back and review it, you will love yourself for the wisdom that you have. It's so true and I think it's so powerful and transformational to like I keep every single journal that I that I write, and I have for years since my healing journey. But, like, I'll also say that's what works for me might not work for you. A lot of people like to take their journals and burn them a head too, and I think that's one more thing element that I want to add about like this journey that we're all on for healing, and is that there's no one size fits all approached. Like journaling works for me, journaling could work for you. I highly recommend anybody give it a try, but maybe you don't keep your journals and like for me, you know, I would say, like meditating helps me. That doesn't mean it helps you, but it would would help you. But try it see what happens. Like I used my story of healing, because these are healing modalities that work for me and my hope is that by just hearing about how I experimented with so many different healing modalities, someone could get curious about experimenting with so many other things in their life that they could absolutely and one of the things I do as a coach with my clients is I I encourage them to do what I called brain dumps. So, you know, in women and I talk, I use the word women a lot because that's who I work with. Right women. We have a thousand thoughts going through our head and sometimes you just need to bring dump. And if you don't like to write, if you're not someone who likes to write, and maybe you don't even want to type it, there's a little voice recorder APP on our all of our smartphones. Just dump it there. Oh my gosh, I that's how I wrote like half of my book. I would I would walk my local lake and record my voice and then dump it on to pay for after that. Yeah, I do it with put I do with podcast topics too. You know, I'll be walking and I'll get this idea for a podcast in my head and I'll just pull up that voice recorder APP and I'll just get the ideas and then they're there. They're saved on your phone. You can go back to him any time you want to. So, yeah, we are definitely on the same page on this answer. All right. So the last quite well, no, I got two more. Actually. Do you think you'll writee another book? I'm gonna say yes because now that I have published...

...this book, I'm I'm so happy and fulfilled and I feel like I've I've gone back to that childhood Ashley of like what she for calling and purposes on this earth, and it's definitely to be doing more writing. I'm very interested in poetry, so, like, we'll see if that might be my next adventure. But yes, there's definitely more books within me. I think everybody has a book in them. I think you're right. I think you're right. That's so awesome. I've always wanted to write a book, but I've I've changed the type of book I wanted to write over the years because, you know, I'm very much into Selfdevelopment, of personal development, but I also had some trauma in my own childhood and books for my escape, and so I've always kind of wanted to write a fiction book just because I want to give another woman or another person a place to escape too. So we'll see if that ever happens, but that's awesome. I heard more than one author say that after you write the first one, you definitely want to write a second one. So and and carry you for you. You absolutely could do it. You could do yeah, for I see it for you. Yeah, thank you. All right. My last question, Ashley. What do you think women want today? I love that question. I think women want today is love, like I just that's been my after two years of the pandemic. I was just having a conversation with one of the doctors that I interviewed for my book and she's an ear physician and Detroit and she was talking about how frontline workers are just needing love and I feel like we all need more love after these few years, and I certainly do. I feel it in my children, I feel it in my spouse, I feel it in my friends and and love can look like acts of kindness, it can be self love, it can be making love, however, however you see it fit. But I think women, all of us, want and need and require more love and there's like never not like we can never get enough. That's that's where I my heart is today. Absolutely love that answer. So as we end today, tell people where they can find you and will make sure we put all that in the show notes. But give us an idea of how to connect with Ashley. Absolutely. Thank you for asking that. So my website is actually Bernardi Ash Ellie. Why? Bernardi bear and a rdicom. You can find all the information about my book. They're my company is nerdy media for PR and a RDI media. And then I also have a podcast called two girls talking, which I host with my dear friend Anna. She is actually my former boss at my tea at my old TV show, because in my past life I was a TV producer and everyone always jokes that you get in and Ashley together and they could just will never stop talking. So that's why we're two girls talking. So definitely check us out.

We are on pod being and just have some like really fun conversations about motherhood. And Entrepreneurship and journalism on their awesome I can't need to listen into that. Ashley, I didn't. I didn't know that about you before today, so I definitely look forward to that. Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule to be here with me today. I've enjoyed this conversation. As usual, the time just flies right by, but you've got so much more to talk about. I'll have to have you on again in the future. I would love that, Terry. Thank you so much for having me today. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining me. I hope you enjoyed today's conversation as much as I did. If you'd like to continue the conversation, come on over and join our private facebook group what women want today, and love to hang out with you some more there. Any resources mentioned in today's episode will be in the show notes. You can find me on facebook and Instagram at what women want to day podcast, or visit my website at what women want to Daycom please remember just subscribe, download and share. Leave me a review. It helps other amazing women find the show and become a member of our community. One last thing for you today. You are not alone. You are worthy of love and a fulfilled life. Now it's time to go after it.

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